Time between sealing travertine and grouting?

[mmdowson]

Hi

I have laid my fist travertine tiles on the floor and walls of my bathroom, i ahve cleaned them and are now looking to seal them prior to grouting, how long do you have to wait for the sealant to dry/cure before grouting? Once grouted I am going to apply a second coat of sealant.


Mark

[Dave]

Hi Mark...

What sealer are you using.?

Some you can pre-seal with and grout shortly after and then seal to saturation after grout clean up.

[Mike]

it depends on the manufacturers instructions, they do vary, just do as it says on the tin. make sure they are really clean before sealing or you'll seal in any dirt/residue

[Bubblecraft]

I use Fila products. Pollished & honed are slightly different. Depending on environment, drying time can vary. Just follow manufacturers instructions


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[Gall.B]

I seal Travertine after grouting and having filled in all pits, I belive it to be the best way as I think the pits should be filled before tile is sealed.

I now use Universeal spray sealers exclusively, so much time saved, no rubbing out streaks etc & it drys in about an hourish on Trav
Fantastic stuff

[Bubblecraft]

I wondered if the uni spray sealers were any good. Will defo give it a try. How would it be on slate?


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[Daz]

I'm not familiar with the specifications, but are the spray on sealers just a topical sealer? Surely an impregnating sealer would be better to use??

Daz

[Gall.B]

Havent used it on slate yet, still had some Hagesan stuff the last job I done.

The colour intensifying Universeal spray would be great im sure and ther stuff can be applied to damp stone so no hanging around either.

The Universeal stuff has completley changed the way I seal so much more efficent.

[Bubblecraft]

What Universal spray do you use? Any particular brand?


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[Gall.B]

That is the brand mate Universeal.

Welcome to Universeal Sealants

I use all in one (grout protector as well) for porcelain & the stone version. the applicator is a tenner I think.

Ctd London rd is where I get it from.

[Bubblecraft]

Cheers for that. I'll check CTD Helen Street. Ill give it a bash


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[Gall.B]

They defo stock it in there mate.

[Dave]

These aerosol sealers IMO are ok for grout sealing and the odd kitch splash back to stone borders etc but full stone installations should be sealed to saturation and you cannot do that with an aerosol sealer...

Just my take on it and yes i have tried them but i prefer to leave a customers job thoroughly sealed and not just a lick over from an aerosol can.

[Gall.B]

Think you will find Dave, I give it a bit more than a lick with a can. I have been using spray sealer for about 6 months without problem & I see it as the way foward and about time too.

[Gall.B]

Think you will find Dave, I give it a bit more than a lick with a can. I have been using spray sealer for about 6 months without problem & I see it as the way foward and about time too.

[Dave]

Aerosol sealers have been around long before universeal brought them to CTD.. ..

You cannot saturate stone from an aerosol can IMO.. but that is my opinion and i am entitled to that

But if it works for you then that is great...

[Bubblecraft]

I get where you are both coming from. I think the spray would be handy for tumbled stones & some slates but I think I'll still stick to foam roller & tray on granites, conglomerate marbles & polished marbles etc


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[Gall.B]

Had seen them before Universeal came to CTD, there stuff is significantly diffrent from what came before & is an innovative, New,quality product.

2 (GOOD) coats with an applicator is more than enough, saves a lot of faffing around, has a streak free finish, completely dry in a fraction of the time, no more you cant use your floor for 3 days mrs whilst i seal your floor/walls.

Sprayed a sheet of newspaper with a coat of all in one after 30 mins it held water, cant see matt stone pulling that one off after 12 hours.

[Knackered Knees]

If it's unfilled trav, I seal after grouting. I also keep a spray can of sealer in the truck for small jobs, but I can't bring myself to use a spray can on an entire stone room or large floor, just way too costly. Larger jobs I use one of those graden sprayers, with the pump action, tip my liquid sealer in and off I go.

[UniverSeal]

I'm not familiar with the specifications, but are the spray on sealers just a topical sealer? Surely an impregnating sealer would be better to use??

Daz

Hi Daz,
The particular spray sealer in question is definately an impregnator sealer, which as you say is the correct sealer and not a topical.

[UniverSeal]

Aerosol sealers have been around long before universeal brought them to CTD.. ..

You cannot saturate stone from an aerosol can IMO.. but that is my opinion and i am entitled to that

But if it works for you then that is great...

Aerosol sealers are not ideal for sealing large areas, it would be more difficult to acheive a thorough coverage when spraying the stone surface from an aerosol.

The new technology of this type of impregnator means you do not need to saturate the stone to achieve the desired stain protection, it also means the impregnator dries quicker allowing for faster application and completion of job.

[Dave]

I have used them and agree but like you say Jason , not ideal for larger areas.

But sealer is sealer and a stone must be fully sealed for a longer life IMO.

Certain stones accept a lot more sealer than others , hence why I seal to saturation. This way I know it is right.

I watched your stone foam video , interesting product.

[UniverSeal]

You are correct and I certainly like the idea of saturation, for obvious reasons Dave.

I know it sounds bias but Stone Foam is excellent product, let me know if you ever want to give it a go it makes life so much easier using a flat mop application.

[Dave]

LTP do a stone foam now as well i see... again not used it yet..

[UniverSeal]

LTP do a stone foam now as well i see... again not used it yet..

The LTP product is a cleaning product in an aerosol, the one we are talking about is a colour enhancing stone impregnator.

The names are the only things which are the same..

[Dave]

lol, so it is... i should read the small print as well ..

Only heard about it the other week..


So the stone foam.. water or solvent based carrier.?

[UniverSeal]

This is a waterbased formula, this is why it is so unique because it is quite difficult to formulate this type of product with water as the carrier. I might me wrong but I think this could be the only waterbased colour enhancing impregnator on the market??

lol, so it is... i should read the small print as well ..

Only heard about it the other week..


So the stone foam.. water or solvent based carrier.?

[Gall.B]

Aerosol sealers are not ideal for sealing large areas, it would be more difficult to acheive a thorough coverage when spraying the stone surface from an aerosol.

The new technology of this type of impregnator means you do not need to saturate the stone to achieve the desired stain protection, it also means the impregnator dries quicker allowing for faster application and completion of job.

Im sorry this just does not make any sense to me what your saying is a contradiction.

Its a new formula etc and does what it says on the tin, so why does it work one a few m2 and not a lot of m2 if applied correctly using aerosol aplicator or back pack spray kit???????

Doesnt say that on the product last time I looked, and is quite honestly ridiculous if it works for 1 tile applied correctly it works for them all.

I have also seen floors saturated to much using traditional sealers and ending up a proper mess.

This product is a fantastic inovation imo and deserves a chance after all a lot of people have given Dural products a second chance after spectaculor failure!

[UniverSeal]

Firstly, thank you for saying this product is a fantastic innovation, I totally agree with you, if you read my username you will obviously understand why.

My original post wasn't meant to confuse or contradict anything, what I was trying to say was that this product in an aerosol wasn't ideal for the use in larger areas becuase it could lead to inconsistant finishes, this point will obviously depend on how thorough the person is applying the product.
Knowing this product like you do I'm sure you will understand what I am saying, I am certainly not saying it doesn't work or can not be done. We actually encourage using this product in the loose liquid from an airless pump sprayer, it is an easier application than using a tradtional roller or brush method. That said, I'm sure you will agree for larger areas it would be much easier applying with a pump sprayer than using aerosols due to the applicator and how it sprays, also cost and coverage will play a big part.

Regarding saturation, as I have said it is not necessary to saturate using this product with most natural stones, but more porous stones will require more liquid or coats. Another selling point about this product is unlike most others it is almost impossible to create application marks, whereas with some other stone imprenators extra care needs to be taken to avoid application marks or streaking.

Im sorry this just does not make any sense to me what your saying is a contradiction.

Its a new formula etc and does what it says on the tin, so why does it work one a few m2 and not a lot of m2 if applied correctly using aerosol aplicator or back pack spray kit???????

Doesnt say that on the product last time I looked, and is quite honestly ridiculous if it works for 1 tile applied correctly it works for them all.

I have also seen floors saturated to much using traditional sealers and ending up a proper mess.

This product is a fantastic inovation imo and deserves a chance after all a lot of people have given Dural products a second chance after spectaculor failure!

[Gall.B]

Myself and a friend bought cases of the, all in one and stone foam plus applicators and the pump sprayer form our local rep and it was never once mentioned that using either method was not suitable for large areas (I dont consider 50m2 a large area) quite the oppisite in fact.

Using either method still beats the traditional method hands down in terms of cost ayway when you factor in time, travel rollers rags etc

I suppose powdered addys and grouts had doubters when they first started appearing

I did find the post contradictory sorry mate seen as I was defending my use of the product in an area and you were saying the opposite.

What im saying is its either suitable or not area shouldnt come in to it, you can screw a floor up using a roller application easier.