Advise- Damp looking patches on new Limestone

[yetirider]

Hi All

Tiller has just finished fitting 10mm honed limestone onto marmox boards.
A 4hr dry white addy was used but 24hrs latter we can see damp looking patches.
The addy is topps trade single part mix, it does say for stone on bag.
below is a link to the stone used
Classic Flax Mix Honed Limestone Stone


I've seen a few posts on here that suggest this is a start again job.

My question is, are these marks likely to dry out over a period of time, or can
we use a product to remove it?

Stone has not you been sealed, tilers has not had this issue with stone before,
ans we are a bit unsure how to proceed other than to leave it for a period and
see what happens.

I just thought i'd ask the question to get some advise.

Cheers Phil

[Sir Ramic]

Did you see the method used to fix this tiles, "Damp patches" seem to say he has used dot and dab method but photos would help.

[deanotile]

any pics ?

[yetirider]

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[yetirider]

Here's one of the full wall.

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[Sir Ramic]

Dot and dabbed by the looks. Now while it may dry out it is not an approved method of fixing by any adhesive manufacturer. All those voids behind the tiles ?? Not good is it ?

[Ajax123]

Dot and dab if ever i saw it. Might dry out but mightntake a long time. Might also fall off the wall but might not. Hope you havent paid for it yet

[Dave]

Dot and Dabbed.. IMO that is nacked... White limestone needs to be back skimmed to get and even shading from adhesive wetting..and solid bed fixed to prevent shadowing like that..

This is the type of fixer we have to compete with.. bing bang bosh , in and out.. not got a clue how to fix stone..

[Dan]

It's a real shame that. Tiler's cut the wrong corner there, made the job useless.

For the record, not only are you not meant to 'dot and dab' stone, you're not meant to 'dot and dab' any tile. So this "tiler" probably does this on every job if he does it on the stone ones too.

Not a tiler that has been taught tiling by somebody else they wouldn't be doing it.

[whitebeam]

Quote; tilers has not had this issue with stone before.

If has dot and dabbed on your job then he has done many times before....so frustrating.

[Thespanishtiler]

like dave says this is what we are up against, amatures botching jobs for a quick buck.

all off and start again with a decent tiler, the guy who did this is not up to the job, and owes you for the ruined stone.

[Phil Hobson]

As above dot and dabbed again, these idiots are taking work off real tilers

[yetirider]

Looks like I need a beer and some thinking time, can't see any point doing the floor until the walls are right.

Cheers Phil

[Dave]

Looks like I need a beer and some thinking time, can't see any point doing the floor until the walls are right.

Cheers Phil

Please do let us know how it goes.. i know it wasn't what you wanted to hear but the market place is full of this type of tradesman..

[Phil Hobson]

My worry with this type of fixing is why dot and dab, if the walls are bad, prep the walls. I dread to think what thickness of adhesive was used, most single parts have a max of 10mm. Looks to me like you got 30%/40% coverage, with a heavy tile that is not good enough. Sorry for your dilemma, hope you get it sorted.

[yetirider]

Last question if I may

Do I give this any chance of drying out or just get it off ASAP?

Sorry 2nd question

Does this also trash my marmox or will it be OK if i'm careful.

I'm off to the pub now to sulk and think.....

Cheers Phil

[Dave]

Hi Phil..

was it fast set or slow set..?

The main thing is, it is a white limestone and can stain quite easy and those wet patches cold well just stay like that.. the waiting game is yours but the longer it is left the more tensile strength the adhesive gains.. but if they are stained then they are no good now anyway..

[deanotile]

i think if it is rapid set the Marmox will be no good you may have to replace the lot. it may be a good idea to dip the new stone. that is to fully immerse the stone in a sealer this will eliminate any chance of staining from the back and also the sides. if the stone is that porous it may be vulnerable to staining from the grout but if you dip the stone this will not happen.* * *

[yetirider]

The addy has a 4 hr set on the bag, first tiles have been on since Wednesday and stil have marks.

[whitebeam]

It also depends how thick the adhesive was as well..

[yetirider]

The current position is we have agreed its been installed incorrectly.
The tiler is currently removing the affected tiles.
The tiler has been released from completing the job.

I guess the next move is to identify someone to correct the work, for me I would like a review
of what is left on the wall to agree if new fitter is happy with the workmanship.

If not rip t all off and start again.

The next question is does anyone know the right person to complete the job?
Its about 10sq mts located in Whaley Bridge in Derbyshire.

Large volumes of tea will be supplied.

I would welcome help from the forum community to turn this into the dream bathroom we wanted.

Many thanks to all those who offered advise.

Cheers Phil

[Ajax123]

Ive seen some of the forum members works so if you get one of them at least you will have a appier ending. Hope you get sorted.

[Stonehouse]

Hi,

You only get these markings from dot and dabbing and excessive adhesive beds, the chances are they wont dry out and if they do you will have shadow lines or some staining in the tile.

If you were recommended the tilers from the company you brought the tiles from then I would go back to them and ask for assistance and possible replacement tiles if they dont dry out. You should be given this sort of information about the pitfalls of using light coloured natural stones by the seller.

We see this sort of problem all the time and it makes me sad, in the long run it puts people off using natural materials because the end user has unncessary bad experiences.

Come on retailers educate the tilers who come through the door and explain the pitfalls to your clients.

[yetirider]

Well here is is, old removed by tiler and he has agreed to pay the material costs.
Also left the material's to complete the floor.

Although its gone wrong to his credit he was more upset than I was and understood when I said
I was going to get a true stone fitter.

gone wrong.jpg

[Dave]

The current position is we have agreed its been installed incorrectly.
The tiler is currently removing the affected tiles.
The tiler has been released from completing the job.

I guess the next move is to identify someone to correct the work, for me I would like a review
of what is left on the wall to agree if new fitter is happy with the workmanship.

If not rip t all off and start again.

The next question is does anyone know the right person to complete the job?
Its about 10sq mts located in Whaley Bridge in Derbyshire.

Large volumes of tea will be supplied.

I would welcome help from the forum community to turn this into the dream bathroom we wanted.

Many thanks to all those who offered advise.

Cheers Phil

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[yetirider]

Thanks Dave

Although he is a fare distance away.

[Dave]

NAh not really

[yetirider]

To his credit the guy refunded me in full for all materials, skip and SDS drill with an apology.
I gave him back the SDS Drill and tile bit as I have no use for it.
I now have a recommended fitter coming in from Mandarin Stone.

Cheers Phil

[Dave Ramsden]

Back skimming tiles does not resolve this problem it only allows the mix used to adhere properly much like when you follow the instructions for superglue.
Another tiler has had this problem before and seemed to solve it by scrubbing the lot down with a water/tile acid mix. I cant remember the type of acid used but he sprayed it onto the tile surface and used emulsifying pads to scrub the lot down which eventually eradicated the marks.
This may or may not work on your project but its something you may want to keep in mind for later down the line.