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Tighter than they already are?!?!

Originally Posted by Dan

Tighter than they already are?!?!

It's getting ridiculous on sites now, HSE gone barmy er, it's getting to the stage where an 8 hour day will be 6 or 7 work and the rest setting up your PPE

You're not wrong fella. I think we're one of very few contries that have such tight H&S laws related to construction. It's getting a bit too crazy in my opinion, but clearly it's going to get crazier!

we should all reject it!!!!! a protest oh i fogot we dont do that anymore

I'd do it with you Gooner, where shall we stand with our boards "We don't want this"....

I could think of a chant, maybe something like "why do we put up with this?" "because we follow is if we're fish" - maybe that needs some work.

yes defo Dan i sometimes think that we are all like lambs to the slaughter,im not militant, but we in this country should put our foot down more often m8 and yes the song does need the lyrics tweeking !!!

lol - you meany! I thought you said you wern't militant!!!! Okay, so a new chant. Any offers?!

done my cscs card today,what a bloody waste of time that was,nothing new learned at all,seems mad considering i seen guys rendering a building in mexico on a platform that was supported by 6 guys holding bits of rope from the roof(15 floors up roughly)

Am I the only one then that thinks looking after my own and other peoples H&S is an essential part of the working day. I certainly don't want to work either for or with anyone that wishes to hurt me. I would walk away from a job if I thought it unsafe to do. I appreciate that it is a bit daft to have to wear a hard hat in the middle of a field but who could object to hi vis and boots on a building site. If the PPE is not suitable for the job e.g. hard hat whilst tiling round the back of the toilet then you have a perfectly legitimate case to object. The trouble is people seem to object to H&S simply because it makes them follow rules which they normally ignore. I actually also try to apply the same pricnipals to home life as well cos I don't want to be a statistic in a hospital ward having fallen off me ladder or dropped a patio chair on me bare foot whilst moving it.

WOW, Ajax, take a chill pill mate, I think the whole idea was to say just how far OTT HSE is getting, yes of course I want to work safely and know that others are working safely above and around me, but there has to be a point where the self righteous so and so's have to hold up the white flag and say, we can't do any more, but that would be their jobs gone, so each year they 'invent' something else to try and make an easy job hard.

Originally Posted by Ajax123

Am I the only one then that thinks looking after my own and other peoples H&S is an essential part of the working day. I certainly don't want to work either for or with anyone that wishes to hurt me. I would walk away from a job if I thought it unsafe to do. I appreciate that it is a bit daft to have to wear a hard hat in the middle of a field but who could object to hi vis and boots on a building site. If the PPE is not suitable for the job e.g. hard hat whilst tiling round the back of the toilet then you have a perfectly legitimate case to object. The trouble is people seem to object to H&S simply because it makes them follow rules which they normally ignore. I actually also try to apply the same pricnipals to home life as well cos I don't want to be a statistic in a hospital ward having fallen off me ladder or dropped a patio chair on me bare foot whilst moving it.

I can understand what you are saying but recently i was on site and it was hot, really hot...you couldnt open windows due to scaffolding outside. They said Hard hats and Hi Viz at all time while in the building and on site. The sweat was running down my face so i took offthe hi viz and hat and carried on working. The site agent arrived and told me to put it back on and when i explained about the heat he said it wasnt that bad.......This coming from a guy who was walking around with nothing more than a mobile phone in his hand ( something that also was banned) Of course he wasnt feeling the heat...he wasnt doing anything.

Common sense is long gone i am afraid.
Why a hard hat when you are in a bathroom alone ?
Why boots ?
Why a hi viz jacket ?.... is that for when the guy drives a JCB through the bathroom 3 floors up ?

Site safety is important, I agree but i sit through numerous inductions being told all about this and that and then walk across a site that breaks its own safety rules.


I know it wont go away but common sense please !

Ajax has a fair comment there. HSE can't tell you to wear a hat if you're tiling behind a toilet and it's going to cause more harm than good. So bare in mind that HSE are all humans and that you do have a say. Though I think it's site managers that don't want the hassle from HSE that get shirty with traders on "their site" when they've had instructions from HSE and don't want a bolloxing from HSE's.

Thanks for your continued input Ajax, I wish we could allow more guys like you from within the industry to register but they tend to sell or push their brands too much to be honest. Our of 12,000+ members, you're the only one that's been clocked and not removed from the forum.

Sorry Alan P. - must have been drinking too much coca cola - sugar rush after a hot busy day......

Actually I agree that the nanny state goes too far sometimes. My company takes the approach of educating people about health and safety, even to the extent of looking at the cost of accidents, rather than constantly beating people over the head with the health and safety stick. As a result we have more than halved the number of accisdents and incidents this year. Being in quarrying, aggregates etc it is intrinsically dangerous so I guess they have taken the right approach. Investing in the education process has saved the company several millions of pounds in lost time and compo claims etc etc.

I'll be taking my chill pill later on. It will be in a pint glass and I'll take it whilst playing Snooker...

Just a quick question, who on this site has been the main tiling contractor on a site, the tiler who is responsible for all surfaces to be tiled, the tiler responsible for H&S, method statements, the tiler that has to buy all the materials and submit prices months before a start date?

its all the failed tradesmen and jobs worths that take what europe say and make it H&S law staight away over here, were in spain,italy and other euro countrys they know most of it is bull and dont bother, & of course businesses that make money out of it also perpetuate accidents in the industry like our new insurance sponsors (no offence intended ) tie all this in with all the other expenses tax,ETC and you have system overload !!!!

Originally Posted by Dan

Ajax has a fair comment there. HSE can't tell you to wear a hat if you're tiling behind a toilet and it's going to cause more harm than good. So bare in mind that HSE are all humans and that you do have a say. Though I think it's site managers that don't want the hassle from HSE that get shirty with traders on "their site" when they've had instructions from HSE and don't want a bolloxing from HSE's.

Thanks for your continued input Ajax, I wish we could allow more guys like you from within the industry to register but they tend to sell or push their brands too much to be honest. Our of 12,000+ members, you're the only one that's been clocked and not removed from the forum.

Blimey - Cheers Dan - what a nice compliment. I do try to be honest or is it just sensible when at work as well. In fact I walked away from a rather large order today because my material was unsuitable. The order was actually placed and scheduled for delivery on Monday. I knocked it off the books cos I knew it would cause the contractor serious problems. I am not on the forums to sell - just to answer questions when I can. If that convinces people that my gear is right for them then so be it. Thanks for having me - so to speak.

Originally Posted by gooner59

its all the failed tradesmen and jobs worths that take what europe say and make it H&S law staight away over here, were in spain,italy and other euro countrys they know most of it is bull and dont bother, & of course businesses that make money out of it also perpetuate accidents in the industry like our new insurance sponsors (no offence intended ) tie all this in with all the other expenses tax,ETC and you have system overload !!!!

Dave I take your point mate and I understand you I really do but main contractors are scared stiff of being sued by idiots that could in the past get onto a job and completely wreck the main tilers reputation and credibility. these idiots are told time and time again to wear their ppe, they take no notice and so you get rid of them, you want people that will follow the rules and be sensible, a lot of them were not and they had "accidents", some were legitimate and some were a scam. I am glad that H&S is the way it is, I like the cscs system and the tests that are required, I would make it even tougher because eventually it will reach a plateau where only the best available people do site work but the rigourous training system will be bringing the fresh, able and bright new blood through to take over, Only 4 years ago I saw a joiner take half his hand off using a flip over saw that did not have a blade guard, he was using it outside in the drizzle, he sued the main contractor and won! what the flip is that all about, he had been told time and time again but he denied it all in court and got nearly £60,000, disgraceful! When the day comes that everyone arriving on site might be subject to a urine/drug test comes that will be a good day, why, because I have seen the Hilti users on the lash till 2am and then in work at 7.30, the scaffold lads turning up stinking of booze, all these eejit workers with the mentality of wile.e.coyote have to go and good riddence to them as well.