is it still possible to get in to oz via a 475 visa ? or have i got to wait 2months to see if wall and floor tiler is on the new csl ? reason iam asking is iam half way through my aqf3 at the min but have decided to put it on hold as iam under the impression i can't get into oz without being on the csl ? so if i get my aqf3 then the new list comes out without my trade on i will have wasted a lot of money etc... would love to work in either NSW or Victoria. any help would be great thanks

Here is the link to approved occupations for the sc. 457 visa :
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skill...ccupations.pdf

Wall and Floor Tiler (4416-11) is on it, so you should be right for a sc. 457 if you meet all other requirements.

All offshore applications for General Skilled Migration have been suspended until the new Skilled Occupation List has been announced.

If you have an employer willing to sponsor you, you might also consider Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme sc. 119

Wall and floor tilers are on the new Skilled Ocupation List !

333411 Wall and floor tiler

!! great news thanks! not sure if i will hit the points system as iam 35 now and have herd the processing times for a 175 can be up to 3 years ? iam looking to get into oz asap before Christmas if poss . still good news that wall and floor tilers are still wanted over there

I reckon employer sponsored is the way to go, Terry.

thanks nvoorst ! would i still need to have my aqf3 for employer sponsorship or would i just need to get my skills assessed ? wot do you think my chances are finding a sponsor in your opinion ? its hard enough trying to find a job in the UK never mind the other side of the world . why would they want employ me rather than a local ozzy ? I've read on other posts they only employ English if there's no ozzys wanting the job and that if i did get a job offer it wouldn't be in Melbourne , Sydney or gold coast area ! it would be in the run down places miles from anything ? thanks for your replys

you would be lucky to get to the gold coast there is no jobs here ive been over to perth and i think you would have more chance there.the mines are getting busy and the local labour follows the work in the mines,make sure you do your aqf3 before you get here the rates you get on the gold/brisban are shocking and alot of small firms expect you to supply your own adhesive/grout ive been here 8 months now and its the hardest thing ive done. jason

Originally Posted by terry the tiler

thanks nvoorst ! would i still need to have my aqf3 for employer sponsorship or would i just need to get my skills assessed ? wot do you think my chances are finding a sponsor in your opinion ?

Definitely get your AQFIII. The work situation varies.Things in Queensland are very tough at the moment. But there are areas where there is a lot of building going on and that's where you should be heading. You might have to work in out-of-the way places for a while, but that can be an interesting experience. Many new immigrants never get to travel or live outside the main cities, which is a pity.With construction in Australia, you just follow the jobs, wherever they are and after a while you find a place where you like to live and get yourself set-up. It is not too hard to set up your own business here, but construction is a tough game. No doubt about that. It is not my experience that Aussie employers prefer local Aussies over foreigners. As long as you're good at your job and willing to stick around, they'll give you a go.And whatever you do, don't whinge !!

Originally Posted by top tiler

you would be lucky to get to the gold coast there is no jobs here ive been over to perth and i think you would have more chance there.the mines are getting busy and the local labour follows the work in the mines,make sure you do your aqf3 before you get here the rates you get on the gold/brisban are shocking and alot of small firms expect you to supply your own adhesive/grout ive been here 8 months now and its the hardest thing ive done. jason

thanks top tiler ! my ex girlfriend is a nurse living in Perth , so i want to avoid that area . how is work different over there ? is it 7 days a week with poor pay and long hours ? and do they have a crack the whip kind of approach to new workers (ie slavery) ?

you can work 7 days the money is poor i think,eg i was laying600x600 polished porc witha 1.5mm joint on a floor that was shoching getting $30M2 and i have to buy the adhesive out of that.the jobs what are out ther tend to go to ozzies first if you think you will come here and get rich think again.i have been offerd as low as $19dollers an hour,living out here compaired to the uk is very expensive.jason

Originally Posted by top tiler

you can work 7 days the money is poor i think,eg i was laying600x600 polished porc witha 1.5mm joint on a floor that was shoching getting $30M2 and i have to buy the adhesive out of that.the jobs what are out ther tend to go to ozzies first if you think you will come here and get rich think again.i have been offerd as low as $19dollers an hour,living out here compaired to the uk is very expensive.jason

- Prices for 600 x 600 porcelain tiles are around $ 65/m2. "Normal" tiling between $ 32 and $ 38/m2, incl. supply of adhesive and grout.
-I am paying a tiler just out of his apprenticeship $ 26/hr.
-My fourth year apprentice is getting more than $ 19/hr.

You're either unlucky or absolutely in the wrong place. What you say might be true on The Gold Coast, but not all over Australia. You can make a very decent living out of tiling, but things are tough everywhere at the moment because of the downturn in the construction industry. Jobs do not necessarily go to Aussies first, although they might be better connected than you are. Why don't you start contracting yourself ? You can do jobs up to $ 3300 with no licence. Put an ad in the Gold Coast Bulletin and go from there...

nvoorst you live in cairns where the rates may be better the rates on the gold coast are not the same.jobs do go to ozzies first and its not about being connected when you ring up jobs in the paper.There is alot of cheap labour here,i have just got a good job thanks but it has taken 8 months, i would suggest to anyone that wants to come to oz they better go to cairns its all good up there.jason

Originally Posted by top tiler

nvoorst you live in cairns where the rates may be better the rates on the gold coast are not the same.jobs do go to ozzies first and its not about being connected when you ring up jobs in the paper.There is alot of cheap labour here,i have just got a good job thanks but it has taken 8 months, i would suggest to anyone that wants to come to oz they better go to cairns its all good up there.jason

Jason,

Cairns has the highest unemployment in the country and the building industry here has nearly collapsed, so it is not such a good place to look for work at the moment.

Rates in Cairns are generally lower than in they are in the Brisbane-Gold Coast- Sunshine Coast area. I have been in this business for over 20 years and have some idea what I am talking about.One reason why many employers prefer 'locals' is that have been burnt too many times by people who don't stick around. I don't agree that there is a bias against non-Aussies. For me the main issue would be qualifications / experience and attitude and I believe most employers are the same..

It took you 8 months to get a good job. Congratulations, you have done well under the current economic circumstances.It is never easy to get started up in a new country and I reckon you've done real well to land a job at all.I suggest you hang on to this job and develop as many contacts in the industry as you can.Even though things are tough on the Gold Coast, that does not mean it is the same all over Australia.There are many opportunities out there for those who care to look for them.

I hope things on the Gold Coast and in Cairns will improve soon. That will be good for all of us and rates for tiling will move back up to where they were a few years ago, when m2 rates were over $ 40 and hourly rates around the $ 35 mark !

Best of luck,

Nick

nick things will get worse i dont think the rates will go up as there are a couple of big companies that only take on people from taiwan and they have a lot of the work, this was confirned by my new boss that has 100 tilers telling me that they are his biggest competitors and they are pricing up at about half the rates that he is.jason

Originally Posted by top tiler

nick things will get worse i dont think the rates will go up as there are a couple of big companies that only take on people from taiwan and they have a lot of the work, this was confirned by my new boss that has 100 tilers telling me that they are his biggest competitors and they are pricing up at about half the rates that he is.jason

We had the same issue here, Jason.And those poor buggers were sleeping and eating on-site, did not speak a word of English and I believe they were being exploited by the contractor. The quality of their work was very poor and not many builders will use them again. They have now moved to Darwin, I believe. The commercial sector is always chasing cheap labour and squeezing the contractors. But if they are paying their people the legal hourly rates etc. then they won't last long if they are only charging half the m2 rate. Rates are pretty much demand driven,so when things pick up, so will the rates, especially in the private sector. I know you had a pretty rough start, but believe me, you just arrived in one of the worst slumps ever and things will improve. And you are living in a pretty nice part of the world...

Cheers,

Nick

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Hi all, iv'e been reading all these posts with interest, I initially went to Qld in 88, virtually always in and around Brisbane, Gold Coast etc. Ive been to and fro to Oz over the last five years or so but mainly all my work has been around the UK, things do seem to have changed a bit over there, all this talk of different Visas, AF 2's and 3's whatever,Taiwan fixers, but as all UK fixers know, the same or similar problems exist here. I have got a Qld BSA Licence, and it used to be Ok to work with this in other States, whether or not I only need this now I will have to find out, anyway, one thing I think I can say with out much if any contradiction is the attitude of Australians, in the 15 years I worked on private, commercial on virtually all aspects of our trade, NEVER did I experience any bias, predudice, inequality, nor did I ever witness any toward any others regardless of nationality, colour or whatever. You will be called a Pommie B' thats for sure ! other europeans get called worse things I cannot put up here, but hey !! it's all BANTER !! . You will be expected to work hard, do a good job, not whinge,and do not make to many comparisons ie UK better than Oz... coz,they WILL tell you where the Airport is, It does take time to adjust, The Aussies have a 'Fair Go Policy' do the right thing and eventually all will fall into place. it is worth it, if not for yourself but a defo for your kids, I took two out there, 2 and 1 year olds, we had two more out there, my oldest lad won a scholarship at one of the top schools for his cricket, i dont think that would have been possible here,at 23 he just bought a very nice (expensive !) house near the center of Brisbane, the second lad has always been employed in the motor industry, his girlfriend is of Indigenous origin, a nicer family you'd have to meet, the younger two are still in Education, and I have no fears of them not fullfilling their ambitions, they, as have most of the Ozzie Kids have a charmed life! . For me and my Wife, coming from 'Manic Manchester' we always thought it was a bit quite, but Bribane has most things to offer and more from a social and outdoor perspective, there is always something going on. As my Dad died a few months ago there is not much to keep me here now, ( other than a fairly lucrative work load,) this i will have to discuss with my Missus, but to all you hopefulls, i wish you well on your Quest, it will be hard, but well worth it, dont worry be ' Totally Sorted ' !! Good Luck Steve aka ozboz

Well said Ozboz. I came here in the 80's as well and have a similar experience to you and totally agree with your view on a Fair Go and the absence of prejudice against "non-Aussies". This has always been my experience.

Rates in Perth being paid to good reliable subbies start at the 40 mark, all materials supplied upto 100 for travertine and similar stone.

We have subbies making 3-5k a week, week on week.

Currently tendering union job where the EBA rate of 64.80 per hour must be applied for labour!

There are companies using taking advantage of cheap labour from Asia, but experience has shown these to eventually burn bridges with main contractors with quality issues.

We are based in Perth by the way

Hey there Totant new to this forum
Just wondering if you know of any companies offering sponsorship?? looking to get down there asap....seems to be the quickest way??

AustJobs

This is a relatively new service and I don't know if any tiler employers have listed, but it won't hurt to have a look.

Employer Sponsored is definitely the go, unless you can pass the new points test.

Cheers,

Nick

Hi Totant was very interesting reading about Perth have been keen to get over there for some time , have many friends working in the mining and exploration industry all making good money so was nice to hear tilers can still do ok as well. Have been working in the private sector here for nearly 5 yrs now and have done ok but the weather and lifestyle have finally got to me after 20 yrs in the UK. Appreciate any advice ya might have on finding work etc , have got a business page on face book Tartela Tiling if ya want to check it out Cheers enjoy the sun

Originally Posted by Totant

Rates in Perth being paid to good reliable subbies start at the 40 mark, all materials supplied upto 100 for travertine and similar stone.

We have subbies making 3-5k a week, week on week.

Currently tendering union job where the EBA rate of 64.80 per hour must be applied for labour!

There are companies using taking advantage of cheap labour from Asia, but experience has shown these to eventually burn bridges with main contractors with quality issues.

We are based in Perth by the way

I am leaving Sydney now for Perth,Can you meet me at the Airport (I will bring my tile cutter with me) lol

hows the tiling in sydney daz ? dont suppose you can message me any contacts / agencys you no ?